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Paging Mr.Gore. Mail # 0912633188 (Personal info removed) From: Bob Keeland Frank is correct in that we need to define 'abrupt climatic change' or even just 'climate change.' Using Jim's Schulman Grove example suppose that the area supported a stand of bristlecone pine 9,000 or more years ago, hence the scattered remnants. Either a major catastrophic event or a fluctuation in climate(call it climate change if you want) resulted in conditions that killed I guess that my point is that climate continues to fluctuate within broad bounds. Everything that we are now calling 'climate change' is well within the bounds observed within the prehistoric record of climate fluctuations. Do we call any variation 'climate change' or should we limit the term climate change for anything considered to be caused by humans? To my mind it is not so much what we call it, but rather that we keep a clear idea of what we actually talking about. Bob Keeland Wasn't 1998 the "hottest year evah?" |
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Hey guys and gals, long time, no type. Hope y'all had a very Merry Christmas, and a safe and Happy New Year! Anyhoo, when I get around to it, I'll have to post some pics of the *snowfall* we had here this morning... way down here in the 'sunny' state of Florida :) Almost busted my arse on the 'global warming' that had fallen when coming down the steps of this old shack in the woods.
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Extreme temperatures on either end of the spectrum are the result of global warming. I mean if the average temp goes up 10 degrees in a few areas and drops 9.9 degrees in other areas, the net is only 0.1 degree increase over the entire globe. If you use the "it's snowing here and it usually doesn't" argument to deny global warming, you are actually citing an example of global warming. You have egg on your face.
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Albert Blue Cirrus wrote: : You have egg on your face.
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Albert Blue Cirrus wrote: : If you use the "it's snowing here : and it usually doesn't" argument to deny global warming
Can I use the argument of the simple fact that every night for the past two weeks the water lines feeding my trailer (as well as the holding tanks' gate valves) have frozen up solid? Can I use the argument of the simple fact that on average, the water lines freeze up solid on average of two or three times a week every winter for the past *five* years? Can I use the argument of the simple fact that my propane usage (for the furnace) has tripled since the first year I moved here? Can I use the argument of the simple fact that the amount (and strength) of hurricanes have decreased in the past three years (and that they increase and decrease with regular cycles over the past 100 years)? (P.S. Don't even try to argue againts that fact, I have *researched* it, and have even created my own Excel spreadsheets proving it... using "non-padded" evidence, unlike the emails of the topic of this message thread). Can I use the argument of the simple fact of record setting low temps around the country, as there were *also* last winter?
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Whatever, I really don't care about your "counter arguments." The issue should just be left to scientists, environmental activists, and liberal politicians to deal with. Everyone else should just thank them for saving their asses.
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If you read the rest of my sentence, I said that colder than usual weather is also a result of the climate changing, but "global warming" is the global net result of the extreme climate conditions. So a very tiny increase in the global temperatures is the result of that. So I don't care about your frozen pipes.
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Albert Blue Cirrus wrote: : Whatever, I really don't care about your "counter : arguments." Albert Blue Cirrus wrote: Nope, I suppose that you don't. I could also care less about your self-proclaimed so-called "scientific evidence" as well. As I previously posted; your motto... "if you can't impress them with facts, dazzle them with bull$hit". In your case though, it's "bambazzle" instead of "dazzle".
Yes, I carefully read your "Obama Math".
And exactly whose arse did you pull those "facts" from? You know I can do the same: I mean if the average temp goes down 20 degrees in some areas, and up 15 in others, that's a net global total of 5 degrees of cooling. Yeah, that's it, sounds good to me... I'm pretty good at pulling "facts" out of my own arse to, no?
Yep, some good "solid" science coming from those (yourself included).
I do NOT require, NOR do I wish for someone (or anyone) to 'save my ass'. I can do quite well on my own.
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Well, last night was the first night in almost a month that everything didn't freeze over solid. Over the past several days, we had a busted water pipe here, and also helped two neighbors fix broken pipes at their homes. Man, I tell ya, the PVC isle was the busiest one in Home Depot! Anyhow, to use some flawed logic... Today it shot up to 74F outside, it had previously averaged no more than the low 50's during the daytime for the past month or so. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the globe is actually *cooling*! Like I said, flawed (or maybe "thawed") logic (or lack thereof)...
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You must go here now Hey MikeAl. We just killed your God. Try Wiccan, same smelly chicks, better chants.
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It seems like every month the global warming deniers have a new "nail in the coffin" scandal, but nothing ever comes out of it. The "Climategate" crap is just a bunch of hacked data taken out of context and misinterpretations of scientific terms, but I would expect that from the global warming denier crowd. But they will continue to lie and alter data to meet their agenda and there is no logical debate with them. Since global warming is a scientific consensus, I think it's time to treat the opposition like they are a bunch of idiots. Denying global warming should be treated like holocaust denial at the worst and moon landing denial at the best. These people want the planet to die and it's time to go on the offensive against them. We can start by throwing the hackers in jail.
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I suppose that even if I showed you how Shell oil and dozens of huge multi-national corporations, and the World bank are the main backers for all of this, and has been since the beginning, you wouldn't care. After all, not even the evidence of data-tampering by the actual programmers could pull your mouth off, and get you off your calloused knees.I imagine you could even now start defending them all. Be sure to enjoy reading the CC list to recognise all the folks who give a crap about pollution. E-mail# 0894639050 From: Ged.R.Davis@si.simis.com Subject: RE: IPCC SRES Scenario Guidelines for Authors Find below guidelines on how to present the IS99 storylines and scenarios. Could you the nominated authors send me your first drafts as soon as possible. 1. Scenario family narrative to discuss main themes, dynamics and a diagram showing 'grand logic' 2. Key Scenario Family Drivers and their Relationships There may be other factors you wish to add to the paper. Regards, Say is slowly with me now: Repeat over and over: e-mail # 0848679780 From: gjjenkins@meto.gov.uk
1996...I have 12 years worth to go.
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I'll let a Liberal Jewish man spank you for your hateful use of a particular term: The Disgusting Use of “Denialist” by Warming Advocates Trivializes the Holocaust http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/11/28/the-disgusting-use-of-denialist-by-warming-advocates-trivializes-the-holocaust/ Nothing in the climate debate which I’ve been paying sporadic attention to is more repulsive than the global warming advocates’ attempt to smear skeptics of their theories and models and predictions as “denialists.” As if they were some analog of holocaust deniers. Having dealt with the question of Holocaust denial in my book, Explaining Hitler, and a number of later essays, I find it hideously offensive, this conflation of an unimaginably horrific history of mass murder with an alleged immutable “scientific consensus” that (if it isn’t dodgy and sketchy) is at best a majority vote, not the same thing as scientific truth. Using the bodies of the dead to stifle dissent when your “science” isn’t persuasive to some. My words for you and the desperate, hate-filled, historically-ignorant, un-feeling scum who use this term isn't allowed here. See-ya tomorrow!
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Whatever. I think the term "denier" should be used more often. The only people doing the trivializing here are those who don't think millions of people will die if something isn't done to stop global warming. In fact, if you add the droughts, floods, hurricanes, etc global warming will kill many more people than Hitler ever did, so no apologies from me.
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I know it's an impossible task but why can't we just all agree to take more responsibility BECAUSE rubbish is unsightly, even ours, even when dumped in another country? BECAUSE smog comes with respiratory problems and we don't want weaklings for offsprings? BECAUSE oil is running out and we need other kinds of fuels? BECAUSE our waste kills off animals and then one day we'll have no fish or game left to eat? And THEN we could just drop this whole meaningless debate because if it IS warming then we can't do anything about it anyway and if it isn't we just created a more pleasant environment for all of us. I'm sorry Paddy you'll have to give up your gas guzzlers, and Al, the Average Joe will not care about global warming when he can hardly feed his family.
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And THEN we could just drop this whole meaningless debate because if it IS warming then we can't do anything about it anyway and if it isn't we just created a more pleasant environment for all of us. To be honest, I don't know what's worse: the flat out deniers or the non-deniers-but-we-can't-do-anything-about-iters. Then there's the we-don't-know-there's-warming-but-let's-do-something-about-it-anyways-just-in-case. It's makes me wan't to pull my hair out. Can't we all just acknowledge A. there's global warming B. it's caused by humans C. we can do something about it? But if you don't acknowledge any of that, Levitating Pizza Goblin bless you, you have the right to believe anything you want even if it's not true. and Al, the Average Joe will not care about global warming when he can hardly feed his family. That's why we have smart people doing it for Joe so he can have time to feed his family. And yes I'm going back to ABC, my experiment with Michael didn't work.
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Repeat over and over: Shell Oil is my friend. WTO is my friend. Kaiser metals is my friend. Netcom military communications is my friend. For God's sake sir. It's pronounced "core-men", not "corpse-men". |
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No thank you.
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I couldn't agree more, Chris. Efficiency is a great goal. The new ZR1 Corvette has 640 Horsepower, and gets 25 mpg! The "standard 430 horse gets 28! Those cars are at the top-end of power sold, but emit such a small amout of SMOG-CAUSEING emmisions, (co/nox) that they almost qualify as a low-emissions vehicles. Yes I have a 300hp truck with a 7.4 liter motor. It stays parked unless the horses are being moved...(not very often) The rebuilt (meaning re-cycled) 92 Saturn gets 40 mpg, and THAT is what I/we drive 15,000 miles a year with. It's the MAIN problem with this "discussion"...people equating pollution with CO2/warming. NOWHERE in any of the thousand e-mails and hundreds of pages of documents found within the CRU hack, is there a discussion about POLLUTION, nor reducing animal/tree killing sulfer/NOX. Not even Nuke nor solar is mentioned. If you have the time, have a look at this article, as well: I would love to hear your feedback on it.
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I don't see why it's one or the other, you regulate fossil fuel burners, you fight both global warming and smog.
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